Friday, October 13, 2006

THE PLAN B FILES

Self indulgent post alert!

I don't know about you but I've noticed that Jake has kept a pretty low profile since, well, I started this freakin' blog. Not that I blame him one iota but it does leave peeps like us in a slight pickle. I, for one, cannot possibly sit, twiddle my thumbs and eat jam butties, waiting for the release of Zodiac so I've come up with a cunning plan! When Jake goes MIA I've decided it would be best to get a 'back-up-imaginery-hot-actor-boyfriend'. Care to join me?

My BUIHAB (pronounced be-hab) at the present moment is Mr Carmine Giovinazzo aka Detective Danny Messer, CSI: Noo Yawk. I would now like to weigh up some pros and cons to see where he falls on the Gyllenscale, mainly for my entertainment. Bare with me.



PROS
  • Appears on my TV screen once a week in a scheduled time slot i.e a reacurring date that never lets me down
  • Has THE sexiest Noo Yawk accent that is, I'm afraid to say, way hotter than Big G's LA tone
  • Rides a motorbike
  • Did I mention it was a Harley?
  • Italian roots - ooo, my favourite.
  • Practical man - fixed his own roof. Where does that stand against making a table for your mother?
  • Baseball career was ruined by a back injury - I'm a sucker for a Florence Nightingale story.
  • Owns a cat.
  • Paints...topless.
  • And the big one for me - drinks tea. If he makes a decent brew this will up his game ten-fold.

CONS

  • Smokes. Ack! Sorry, it's my pet peeve. It's not the lung cancer so much but the stench. If they made nice smelling cigarettes it'd be a different story.
  • CSI:NY - not that great a show. Not sure how many murdered-by-a-lampshade-and-we-have-the-DNA-to-prove-it storylines I can handle.
  • Plays golf. I have issues with golfers, many issues.
  • Often pictured wearing a trilby
  • Seems to be trying to start some kind of 'rap' career but I'm hoping I imagined that
  • Apparent playboy - I really don't have time to keep my eye on a man that flits between foxes like it's going out of style
  • Only 5"9 - britpopbaby likes to wear stilettos.
  • Hangs out with Lt Dan - may be a perpretrator in his crazy schemes.

GYLLENSCALE RATING:


Discuss.

Oh, one more thing. Ennis and Jack never did it for me, mostly cos I don't fancy Heath Ledger but Tag off Friends and Messer - bad, bad things.

133 comments:

kaydee said...

doesn't jake smoke as well?

harley's good, topless depends on the state of his chest, though...

5,9 makes him totally unaccepatble in my book. i would have to crouch to look him in the eye.

what's a trilby?

muffin said...

sorry Brits he doesn't rate of my scale at all...now if you want to talk CSI-land then Greg the former Lab tech from original and best CSI is my back up hottie....or OMG I nearly forgot my latest massive crush!! Mr Rochester!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am addicted to Jane Eyre right now but as there is only one more to go I guess it doesn't fit in with your plans....

nice anonymous said...

I accept no substitutes for Jacob Benjamin Gyllenhaal.

Only his near relations, sometimes.

(Does he perhaps have a hot but not-famous cousin who resembles him even a little?)

The Bearded Lady said...

He seems to have that eye squint pensive look down pat.

Anonymous said...

Kaydee,

There was talk that Jake quit smoking during the summer. I hope that talk is true.
Hate to think of him getting cancer...and all that smoke eventually reeks havoc with the skin and teeth. (Yuck) So, that's one rumor that I really hope is true.

kaydee said...

ok, cats are good, scheduled regular time is good. but really: smoking, shortish and not very nicely built, is he?

doesn't even mesure up to Mr Gyllenhaal.

when i need a fix of male beauty and jake is unavailabe, i go to look at jean marais.

http://andrejkoymasky.com/liv/fam/biom2/mara2a.jpg

i'd even say he is more perfect thatn jake. his only disadvantage is that he is, sadly, already dead.

wtbgirl said...

If I was to delve into CSI-land, I'd have to get me some Lieutenant Dan aka Gary Sinise. He still rocks.

britpopbaby said...

He has an AMAZING body - maybe I didn't pick the best pics

amerita said...

WhoTF is that? Sorry, but he is off scale down below on the negative side for me...
But, WTBGirl, Gary Sinise ... now we are talking...

veeveevee said...

nobody will EVER beat Jake - when I don't get enough of him, I try to trick myself into having dreams about it, in which I play a substantial role. Doesn't always work, but when it does...oh my!

by the way, Britpopbaby - I adore the Jake-o-meter, especially the expressions! Where else can we employ this fantastic device???

Katie said...

Although I have to admit there's a 'certain something' about Gary Senise, my heart belongs hook line and sinker to JG - that's just the way it is and nothin's to be done about it.

Anonymous said...

I have two or three ah,...let's call them 'mates' I hang out with when my beloved is MIA...right now, for example, I'm cuddled up with the November issue of Vanity Fair, bcz George knows that Jake is my One True Love and he's a great shoulder to lean on. Tonight I will watch Donnie...Brasco...another good friend...and fugeddabout the fact that I haven't seen or heard from my One True Love in maybe...gasp...three days...When I can no longer control myself and become an absolute slut...I will run Kingdom of Heaven thru the DVD player...not bcz "I'm bored or wicked..." but bcz I am desperate for distraction...but truthfully, gotta say...for sexual healing, nothing works better then a dose of Ledger...he KNOWS how I feel about Jake...so on a scale of one to ten, this guy, the Italian from CSI, doesn't even register. My mates understand that there is only Jake and truthfully, I think a couple of them share my feelings.

Nothing Really Matters said...

Dude you make me laugh!

kokodee said...

Lol!!! anon 9:07.
That was funny....I wish you would sign a name, I am loving your sense of humor

veeveevee said...

Totally off topic, but I was just over at the Brokeback auction of all the clothing from the movie, and all of Jake's shirts have no size as they were custom made for him...is this normal for the movies, or is he just such a spectacular specimen that no "ordinary, off-the-rack" shirt will do?

Anonymous said...

I think it's bcz he's special.
He has a special body. The fabric from those shirts probably never touched human skin before it touched Jake's skin.And the jeans!!! OMG! If I were those jeans, I'de be delirious just knowing who's legs I'd sheath.
Get me my oxygen!

Anonymous said...

Look. You try to keep busy. As long as possible. When you reach a point where your banging your head on the wall..as I am... just put Jarhead on and fast forward to the good parts. Then Proof. And fast forward to the good parts. Then Moonlight Mile, etc. etc. I think with PG and other agents already in the vicinity, we're doing as much as we can...it's the waiting that's the hard part...

Anonymous said...

Is tonight the Marie Antoinette thing in NYC?

wtbgirl said...
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wtbgirl said...

Yep, M-A premieres tonight at the New York Film Festival. Guess that means Dunst is here in town.

britpopbaby said...

by the way, Britpopbaby - I adore the Jake-o-meter, especially the expressions! Where else can we employ this fantastic device???

I'll think of some more ways! Maybe we can rate everything on the Gyllenscale - not just people.

And part of me is glad none of you like the lovely Carmine - means my competition is narrowed down to just Anneka. He's hot though, remove the Jake blinkers.

thesweetestone said...

5-6 out of 10. Sorry, just not that hot:-)
8 is way too close to perfection.

Newport Girl said...

Mr. Giovinazzo does have a certain appeal, but I just can't get past the fact that his first name is "Carmine."

justjake said...

The clothing does has sizes.I saw medium for some shirts and the trousers were pretty long actually 33 leg.The fat suit is a riot.lol

Anonymous said...

sorry brits this guy is fug... nothing like jake

cina said...

No competition from me Brits! Jake is my only desire. ;-D

ATD said...

Sorry Brit

Jake is number one, it would take an awful long time with him MIA before I would turn to Josh
See I’m still loyal, even the subs name starts with a “J”.

OT: No socks in the auction so far! Plus $120.00 shipping to the UK, robbing barstools!

smurfette said...

he looks like lt dan to me! haha, maybe i'm weird, but yeah, i agree that gary sinise has something about him that's pretty sexy in a weird way, so yeah, this guy seems hot.

justjake, i was looking thru the auction too-- now we know jake's jean size (check jake's outfit with the brown leather jacket-- over $6000 now): so jake's a 34 * 36... hot!

smurfette said...

i meant $5000 sorry

Amerika Bound said...

too short for my liking sorry brits :)

hmm
i'll ponder on plan b..

smurfette said...

hehe, the auction's fun! omg, how jake's FAT SUIT not the highest bid item on the list-- take one look at the pics on the mannequin and tell me it doesn't evoke naughty thoughts on the sex...?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BROKEBACK-
MOUNTAIN-JACK-TWIST-GYLLENHAAL-FAT-SUIT-NR_W0QQitemZ140041898451QQihZ004QQcategoryZ60345QQcmdZViewItem

Smurfeyshmoo said...

My plan B is Christian Bale. Unfortunately, he's more elusive even than Jake. So my plan C is Michael Arden. Again, a real drought in the picture depo, since he's a stage actor instead of film.

The Gyllenscale rocks my world. See, Jake is obviously the most perfect being on this earth--he makes anything wonderful.

mpom said...

Sorry Brit,
Carmine G is not even a 5 on the Gyllenscale. Let's face it 5'9"? Blonde? Smoker? But then I am not enamored of the fair-haired boy type either. I do make an exception for Heath however, because of that smile and those gorgeous eyes of his. HL could be a 9 or better.
Dark hair, blue eyes, tall, great body. How can any one compare. Jake has it all. And another thing, whilst we are on the subject. Has anyone else noticed Jake's beautiful expressive hands? A man's hands tell alot about him.
Could "Gyllenhand Watch" help to pass the time while we're waiting for Zodiac?

cina said...

mpom I'm totally with you on his hands and we should DEFINITELY have a "Gyllenhand Watch"!!!

SquallCloud said...

He's not so cute to me but eh what do I know? Jonathan Rhys Meyers is my Jake-Is-Too-Fucking-Busy-To-Go-Out-For -A-Smoothy-So-I-Need-A-Backup Boyfriend.

SquallCloud said...

Can the Jake-Meter be a permanant fixture Brit? We can do that once a week. Find some random hollywood beefcake and throw him up on the ol' Jake scale.

Anonymous said...

Apologies if this has been referred to earlier, but there are some nice comments about JW here

http://stephengyllenhaal.wordpress.com/2006/10/09/bottom-feeders/

dani said...

I don't have a backup plan for when Jake is MIA. I just suffer until he resurfaces. No one does it for me like Jake. Sure there are plenty of attractive people that might get a look or two from me but Jake is so fine in every way that no one else even registers on the Gyllenscale!

SquallCloud said...

Umm did somebody call the DC bottom feeders? Ummm maybe there is an anecdote to this crazy fandom obsession after all.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link.I read the comments. I'm pleased about JW and IHJ, but I'm also puzzled and a bit upset. Was SG upset that the news got out about Maggie having her baby? I think once she was admitted to hospital it would have gotten out. She is a high profile person.From the the comments I read,I got the impression that Jake, Maggie and Peter were all upset about their personal lives being spied on and the everpresent pap stalking.I feel really bad about that. Glad she thinks JW and IHJ are responsible and respectful. Don't agree with her about DCforum, tho.They seem to be sweet people who mean no harm. As for gossip blogs, I sometimes read them, I admit. They seem mostly focussed on the usual suspects, like Paris, K-Fed, Jessica, Nicole and Lindsay Lohan. Borrrring! JustJared seems to be sort of tame compared to PerezHilton and a couple of others. And TMZ and Splash run the most intrusive pap stuff. Guess SG was upset that his news to Cantara flew thru the internet. But really, it wasn't anyone's fault except the paps. I saw pics of Peter and Maggie leaving for the hospital and pics of the going into the hospital admitting. That wasn't a result of SG it was just the paps being their vile selves.

veeveevee said...

I didn't see any pics of Maggie and Peter leaving for the hospital (kind of glad I didn't), and am sincerely hoping that they were able to experience this amazing event in their lives in as much peace as possible. That would be so hard to have strangers intruding on so personal an event. As much as I want to hear new news on them, and know that Ramona is doing well, I am glad that there has been radio silence on their going home and experiencing and enjoying the new miracle in their lives.

Anonymous said...

Me Too!!!

mpom said...

I purposely did not look for pics of Maggie and Peter going to the hospital. I think they should be left alone at this time. I want to see Ramona when they are ready to bring her out if ever. I hope they can avoid the vultures, not much chance of that I guess. I imagine , given her parents, that she is a beautiful baby.

Anonymous said...

Let's not discuss this further. People can get upset when other people intrude on their precious private moments, and they are entitled to made their feeling known, perhaps saying things in stronger terms than intended. It's not for us to turn it into a public debate and we should just let it slide. I would just agree however that the participants on the DC forum are on the whole nice people.

Anonymous said...

Speculation on Jake's love life and is actively encouraged on the DC Eyelashes thread though, and they do tend to enjoy it. His "serious" thread is much slower in comparison over there. I think there was a even recent poll about it even that had people campaigning. Harmless fun or not, if that in particular is what bothers Jake and makes him uncomfortable (seeing as Cantara lumped them in with WFT), then that may be why Jake Watch and IHJ is considered "better?"

SquallCloud said...

Okay I'm just going to say this once because I can't figure out how to get on that blogsite that Cantera posts to to comment over there but Dave Cullen is a respected journalist and author who has spent considerably time and money propogating the belief that BBM was the most moving touchstone in recent cinema. He started it when no one was even really up on it. He brought together thousands and thousands of people across the world who have the movie in their souls and who deconstruct each scene and theme. The site has had interviews with Larry McMurtry, Diana Osana, and Annie Proulx. The day after the Oscars we organized a thank you ad in Variety magazine for the amazing movie, so ANYONE who thinks of The DC, my internet home as flabby and fucking sinister can kiss my ass!

Also, EVERY site gets their pics of Jake and family from the same place: IHJ. I love IHJ and Ally seems like a true sweetheart but how come they are responsible and the rest of us are shitheads?

SquallCloud said...

Sounds like another "Get those pics I mistakenly posted on the internet off your site or else!" style cover up. Yah it's probably not wise to tell any site no matter how "respectable" and generally kick-ass, personal business about the celebrity family you have connections with. This is one goddamned bitch of an unsatisfactory situation. >:o(

SquallCloud said...

IHJ is the same as Dave Cullen. It just skews younger. So is it that any conversation about this family that is not factory aproved gets the label as being sinister.

None of my ire is aimed at Brit or the Gyllenhaal family just anyone ignorant enough to lump the DC in with predatory sites. What happens when Brit or Ally steps out of line and allows something deemed *gasp* out of compliance with whatever rubric Cantera seems to be grading all the sites on? Will she get a stern warning like last time? Or will is there some test she must complete to fall back into the good graces? Blech!

Anonymous said...

Cantara criticizing the DC forum shows me she doesn't know what she is talking about because DC is a great site with some amazing fans of both the film and Jake. I don't see what's sinister about it at all. Quite the opposite. And despite its controversial subject matter, I don't think WFT is sinister or meanspirited either. I've seen more nastiness on some of the general gossip blogs, but that's unfortunately the case with most celebrities. It does sound like the gossip is bothering Jake more than I imagined though, and for that I feel sad.

Anonymous said...

My opinion of Cantara is somewhat diminished by all this crap. She is amazingly unsophisticated as far as the world of celebrity and blogdom and the internet go.
I mean for a "real,live New York publisher" she can't be totally isolated from reality. It's a baby not a secret.I don't blame Maggie, Peter and Jake, for being upset. Even celebrities are entitled to private family time. And I'm sure they would have formally announced the birth in their own time and their own way. But this is like closing the barn after the horse got out. Personally, I hate the fact that things are put into such a negative light giving an unbalanced impression to the family. There are people out here who adore the entire clan and aren't at all snarky and mean.

Anonymous said...

Let's give her the benefit of ths doubt - maybe Cantra's only reading of the DC blog was at a time when it had gone off on a rather personal tangent (and Adrian wasn't around to bring them into line!).

But I totally agree with the comments about WFT. On occasions there is a very nasty undertone to what is posted there, and a very inflexible attitude with regards to what they assume is fact.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the pap intrusion angers Jake because it worries the people he is photographed with?

But at the end of the day, from what I've read across the internet, bloggers almost unanimously write about Jake with great affection. I get the feeling this is her first in-depth encounter with the world of blogging (let's fact it - it's a whole new, out of control, aspect of the internet). But IMHO he seems to be one of the most widely liked celebs around. It's very sad if the whole family feel they can't do what they want to anymore because of the public attention, but that's the nature of celebrity in the age of the internet.

Anonymous said...

Don't agree with her about DCforum. but It is true there are some tinhats there. At first I was shocked. Maybe Cantara feel the same way.

jenn said...

I miss the days when "celebrity" wasn't the catchword to describe the famous. It used to be actor, singer, etc. What you did was what you were called first and foremost. What you were actually good for, had earned to some respect. IMO the lines have blurred too much to justify intrusion into people's lives. There needs to be a distinction made between celebrity for celebrity's sake (ie: the Paris Hilton type) and famous for the type of work they do (Jake). It irks me to see people paint those in the spotlight with the same brush as if deep down they're all just media whores first and foremost, integrity be damned. I think we'd agree Jake's fanbase would not be as big as it is if we all got the sense that's what he was.

Anon 8:39 a.m: You have a point there. A fanblog of Jake's, as WFT is, taking a gossip columnist's word as gospel on Jake's life... yeah, I could see how that might rub Jake the wrong way.

Cynicism and a feeling of entitlement over minute details of an actor's private life when you're on the outside looking in is one thing, but from the inside looking out (as Jake and his family are) it can seem weird at best coming from fans and downright obnoxious coming from gossips, I guess is what Cantara's saying. Maybe we could all take a deep breath and acknowledge that she has a valid point in there, even though airing it on a public blog was maybe not the most tactful route she could've taken.

Anonymous said...

I think her criticism of DC and WFT are wrong. She doesn’t have a clue. People that frequently comment in both sites are Jake’ fans. DC is a wonderful site and WFT can be controversial but is not mean spirited at all!

Anonymous said...

I mean to completely demean a fanbase like that is truly sad. Whatever the belief, people are still fans and that should be all that matters. IHJ is the biggest invasion of Jake's privacy ever! But no problem there. Only the sites that have a gay undertone are the flabby and sinister ones.

I have purchased Clpatrap but now I am questioning whether I'd like to support a comapny and author that associates with such a vile person.

kaydee said...

and don't you all feel a slightly bit uneasy when you discuss jake shaving his legs in minute detail?

because i do, which of course won't make me stop, but i acknowledge that it's way uncomfortable for the person who's discussed.

i do not read gossip sites bcz i think it is shameful what they do to other people, no matter, jake or paris hilton.

Anonymous said...

9:34AM She's not a vile person - just, perhaps, the sort of person who "reacts" rather than "responds". The post on her blog seemed to be a mea culpa or "I'm sorry" directed at Stephen Gyllenhaal. So you certainly shouldn't be angry at the family if you don't agree with what she says. And she's definitely NOT as internet savvy as she thinks she is, otherwise she wouldn't have posted that message where anyone, anywhere in the world can see it. Someone should contact her and show her how to set up a locked livejournal ;-)

BTW, I certainly hope JW and IHJ got specific permission from her to post the news about the baby on the internet ...

Anonymous said...

When going through of Jake, or David Tennant, drought, Carmine is indeed my back up boyfriend. It's the accent that does it for me, and I too have rude thoughts about him and Flack...

Being of a rather short nature myself, I can even do my high heels and he'll still tower over me.

Katie said...

Going off on a bit of a whimsical tangent.... I see from the auction that Jake has size 11 (US) feet. Why do I fel better knowing that? Is it because I now know what size socks to get him for Christmas?

kokodee said...

Hmm...David Tennant.
I love Heath but David's Casonnava was (a lot more) better.

Anna said...

Thanks for the support of the DC forums. It really is a great place, with lots of great people. And just for the record... Eyelashes is for fun. Most of the things that are written there are not meant to be taken seriously. We're just having fun - harmless fun - and we all love Jake. That's all it is.

The campaigning a couple of weeks ago was simply a way for some of our members to joke around with eachother (and get their post count up ;)). Don't take us seriously... (Unless we are serious. ;)) There are other, much more serious threads on the DC forums, if that's what you're after...

britpopbaby said...

Holy fucking crap. Where do I start with this? I knew when this had reached over 60 comments you wouldn't all be discussing the charms of my beautiful Carmine (which by the way, is a very masculine, Italian name).

The DC hatred - I'm not sure where exactly it comes from but I remember being told by Cantara that the Gyllenhaal's first became aware of it with the Variety ad and that were pretty damn impressed. I'm trying to scour my brain for why this this opinion is harboured but I can't think right now. Mainly because I have MAN FLU!
I just don't know the history with this one.

I personally have much love for the DC because I know we get a reader crossover and everyone there has been fucking great about JW and pimped it to the max.

Okay, I'm going to take drugs - I'll be back soon.

Anonymous said...

When Jake goes MIA I've decided it would be best to get a 'back-up-imaginery-hot-actor-boyfriend'.

I think you should keep on looking!

muffin said...

I think the DC forum as an entire site is pretty impessive JG was propbaly very impressed and flattered by the Variety ad...but that doesn't mean that he would enjoy or be flattered by all the content of the site. It may be fun for the partcipants to squee and eeek over what they imagine Jake's personal life to be and they may think it's all harmless fun reading and writing RPS but that doesn't mean that Jake would find it so. I can quite imagine that he might find a site dedicated to watching the colour and height of his socks much funnier and very, very refreshing.

I don't doubt that the participants at the lashers forum mean nothing but good but that doesn't mean that Jake would enjoy reading all they have to say about him and the other REAL people in his life.

britpopbaby said...

Don't be rude!

mrs_dalloway said...

Ennis and Jack never did it for you?? What a shock!It wouldn't surprise me if you would admit now that you actually like this Carmine fellow BETTER than Jake.
It must be that man flu you have now..please take some medicin!

I think Cantara appreciates JW and IHJ more and defends them all the way mainly because she keeps in touch with their owners,Ally and Brits.And this matters a lot, as she can see that they're,above all, very respectful to the Gyllenhaals. The dave cullen site may give the impression of inappropiate,but if you have the patience to look through the thread,you see that they're nice people.
From what I've seen, Cantara just tries to keep a balance,and means no harm to any of these fan sites.

britpopbaby said...

I meant that at the anon above not you muffin, although I have to say the Eyelashes thread is a fun place and they gossip just as much as we do - can we help it?

muffin said...

I realised that brits, and yes the Lashers forum is all meant in good fun but there have been times when it has gone a bit OTT and gone very serious and heated about Jake's private life...if they stuck to talking about Jake's socks there wouldn't be so many arguments.... ;)

Anna said...

....a long, long time ago, muffin...

It's been a very peaceful and funloving place the last couple of months... :)

Anonymous said...

1:38PM: Agreed. And I think Cantara was talking about the Jake eyelash thread not the entire site. The eyelash thread is mostly fluff but it has been infested with tinhats since day one including one of the mods, Adrian.

Biohazard said...

Oh dear. Just as I thought, some people will use this as an excuse to settle old score. Adrian is a perfectly fine person, but we don't know who you are anon 2.22, casting aspersion on someone most people liked, why not give us your name so we know to avoid you in other sites?

DC forum is perfectly good site, very occasionaly some posters stray over the line, but on the whole good. As for the Toothy site, the whole premise of the site is based on some nasty game of whispers and innuendos Ted Casablanca is playing, and many of the participants there make assumptions that make me feel uncomfortable, I don't think I can defend it.

Simon Agent 002 said...

I saw this unfold last night...I even signed up to DC forum to try and explain not to be quick to take offense...that perhaps while listing the many blog sites, Cantara may have included DC among them, by accident.
It was finally (after writing a long comment)in the wee hours of the morning, I about to post it, when blogger sent me back to login and I lost it all.
I think in so far as DC is concerned there is some misunderstanding at the bottom of it all. I've never known DC forum to intentionally try to be offensive,in any way, and I hope people can cool their jets, and give time a chance to clear this up and put it all into better perspective.

green said...

I don't doubt that the participants at the lashers forum mean nothing but good but that doesn't mean that Jake would enjoy reading all they have to say about him and the other REAL people in his life.

Is there a fan site/blog that the object of admiration would enjoy reading? Of course not!

As "member" of both JW and DC I know that there are things said that Jake and his family wouldn't like to read. Arguing which site is more respectful towards Jake is silly and pointless.

ms.darko said...

2:45: Sweetie, this isn't an old score. What Adrian posts in public nad what he PM's people would make your skin crawl. He is definately unstable IMO and i'm frankly shocked he has been made a mod there. He's a misogynist, a tinhat and a Casablanca worshipper among other things. I'm sure Cantara saw somethings over there that made her uncomfortable.

smurfette said...

wow. baby-gate seems even more controversial than picture gate. i hope cantara wasn't referring to anything serious when she mentioend poppa g being in the "doghouse"-- that sweet man has nothing but love for his family, and his birthday was the day after ramona's! he deserves to enjoy his granddaughter's birth fully.

re: DC, i agree that eyelashes is silly harmless fun, much like JW. from what i've seen (i haven't been there in ages), adrian is humorous yet respectful mod. i like cantara, but i'm not sure what she means by a fan site being "flabby"...

smurfette said...

wow. baby-gate seems even more controversial than picture gate. i hope cantara wasn't referring to anything serious when she mentioend poppa g being in the "doghouse"-- that sweet man has nothing but love for his family, and his birthday was the day after ramona's! he deserves to enjoy his granddaughter's birth fully.

re: DC, i agree that eyelashes is silly harmless fun, much like JW. from what i've seen (i haven't been there in ages), adrian is humorous yet respectful mod. i like cantara, but i'm not sure what she means by a fan site being "flabby"...

Biohazard said...

ms.darko, I assume then he PM you before? Please take your objections about Adrian to DC forum where he can defend himself rather than here. Most of what's written in the lashers thread are light-hearted, perhaps you can't differentiate what's jokey and what's serious?

ms. darko said...

3:45PM: I have forwarded the rather disturbing e-mails to Dave and hopefully they will be dealt with, just like the nasty e-mails Theresa from Heath Ledger Central recieved from the folks from the Lasher thread when she posted some things they didn't want to hear or when Dave had to intervene earlier this year and threatened to close the thread when some disgusting things were posted about the women Jake was photographed with.

I guess you weren't around then or yiu have a very selective memory and as i recall Adrian was involved with some of that as well and he "apoligized". He gets confused with reality and slash at times.

Girl Friday said...

Originally I was planning on avoiding this shitstorm but as usual I'm just going to make a quick bulleted list.

1. I'm not entirely sure we should have seen what Cantara posted over there. I'm not entirely sure she knew someone would find it. As a so-called information expert - nothing on the internet is ever lost or hidden. I can (and have) seriously pulled up copies of webspaces that were published ten years ago that have been erased because none of it is lost and gone forever. [And we used that in a trial I was working on.]

2. Many years ago, possibly before some of you were born, (that's not a slight it was a long time ago) there were a group of fans that were fans of Keanu Reeves. A reporter "infultrated" a fan group, hung out with them in public and online and then wrote a psychological analysis of it. It royally pissed those people off but the article she wrote was mostly valid. Fandom attracts all types, from teenage girls, completely mentally unstable types to soccer moms. For an outsider it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. That doesn't make their opinions any less valid because an opinion is just that. An opinion is not meant to be taken as fact. There are times when the DC forum goes off topic and could make someone uncomfortable or rather the person being discussed uncomfortable.

[BTW - this Keanu shit was way before blogs. Correction, way before blogs had any power over mainstream publications. I know about it because I was a teenage girl at the time and watched it happen.]

3. Honestly, people go on and on about how Jake should have been ready for this the saying, "you think you know, but you have no idea" comes to mind. I think expecting it and watching it from the outside is wholely different than being the one talked about. When it gets to the point, as it hasn't for a lot of other actors but has for him, where people know your moves, know where you and your friends (who aren't actors) live, post real and fictional accounts of your every action and these things are being discussed ad nauseum and crossing over into mainstream publications - it's got to make one paranoid or a bit miffed. I suppose a general rule is not to say anything about someone else that you wouldn't mind being discussed about yourself. People will say all sort of shit online that they wouldn't say face to face. They feel that they're protected. Of course in this case the discusssion about yourself tends to be magnified way beyond all comprehension and now the shit is making it in major magazines.

Brit, get some rest, drink plenty of fluids and finally get a humidifier if you're congested. I'm visiting my parents in Pittsburgh and catching up on the Sienna Miller shit. Dear God, help that girl.

britpopbaby said...

Great post, girl friday - I think you've hit the nail on the head. You too, Simon.

I have also had eight cups of tea and a cartoon of juice so I'm well lubricated.

Had some word back from Cantara. Not sure if she wants this spread around but I think it might explain a few things. Cantara made that post on her blog because she is starting to catalogue her correspondances with Stephen Gyllenhaal - she loves reading them back and too because, I say, they are both extermely talented writers and pretty darn cool people and I imagine their world of emailing is interesting stuff.
She means to get the place password protected and prehaps naively, didn't expect some roving Jake fan to come across the place so soon.

Cantara is a Stephen fan - she loves Stephen to bits and whilst she respects Jake and all the Gyllenclan her priority is Stephen.

The internet is a crazy, crazy world for me some days.
I love Cantara and I love the Eyelashers and I love Jake and I love Stephen.

And above all, I love tea. So I'm going to get another brew.

SquallCloud said...

There are times when the DC forums gets off topic and says something a celeb is not comfortable with. And? That makes it different from every other site ever dedicated to a celeb how exactly? Eyelashes is mostly populated by older women with husbands and families. The site is a diverse mix of people. The movie deeply effected A LOT of people. I think that when celebs start to pick and choose who they want as fans (NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THIS IS) it's a messy business. But yah, holding up one site as being Ok but another as being "sinister" (unless there is really some sinister shit going on)is thoroughly insulting and out of pocket. The DC has done so much for that movie. The makers even agree or they wouldn't agree to provide interviews with the staff. I guess I'm upset mostly because these people are my extended family. We're all so different but we're all united in our love for this heart wrenching movie. I spent hundreds of dollars the other weekend going to a big party across the country to meet 40+ of my fellow DCians. They are normal. sweet, beautiful people. We watched the movie togetheer. We cried together. We had so much fun together and to have that catagorized as sinister is putting me close to tears now. There are two places on the site where I couls see Jake (et al) getting squirmy about. Eyelashes (which come on, any man that takes 1000000 studio pictures looking like The sexiest sex that ever did sex is not going to blanch when said pics are drooled over by soccar moms and college students.) and the part of the forum foks can't get to unless your a member and that's Slash. Slash is par of the interweb's DNA at this point. There is CSI Slash. There is LotR, Smallville, Buffy/Angel, and the mama of it all Star Trek. No celeb should even bat an eye. If you are good looking man someone will slash you or your character with another man. Period. We're no more depraved than many people on the net.

But 98% of the site is NOT Lashers or Slashers. The DC started a campaign to get a copy of BBM in every rural and small library in the counrty. They are writing a book about how the movie effected members. Some members whole lives have changed due to the movie. That's the type of sinister shit we do over there. *rolls eyes* It just aint right. I'll stop now. I just don't want anyone under the mistaken impression that any site is superior to the The DC or that the DC is harboring loons and crazies hell bent on Gyllengaard distruction.

One more thing, re: those studio shots, The DC is one place on the web that I go for my Jakey fix where his studio work is more the norm than hip pap shots. Most pap shots come into play after we get them from here or IHJ.

I'm just sick about this whole thing. :o(

nice anonymous said...

I, too, would like to defend Dave Cullen's Web site. Cantara should spend a little more time exploring it, without confining herself to the sites for fans of the "Brokeback" actors. It's a huge place, like a solar system, full of groups having discussions on all sorts of topics. There's a lot of social activism there. There are serious movie fans visiting. There are thought-provoking discussions of gender. There are book clubs going on. There are extremely literate & detailed discussions of all aspects of "Brokeback Mountain" as a work of art. To dismiss this all on the basis of a few posts, or perhaps a personality or two whom Cantara perhaps doesn't care for, is quite unfair. I wish she were more specific about what caused her to make that judgment, and I wish that she had taken it up at the Cullen forum or spoken to someone there privately.

I'm no longer a member of the Cullen site, but that's because, after participating there well past 1,000 posts & advocating for the movie in any way I could, from Nov. 2005 to about May 2006, it just seemed time to go. It was out on DVD, the fight seemed to be over. And also, since my own personal fantasy is Jake with a female (and in saying this, I am making no judgment on other fantasies, or implying any such judgment -- I'm merely setting forth my own taste, like a liking for coffee ice cream), JakeWatch seemed a little closer to what I was looking for. Also, I'm trying to meet my daily irony quotient. I enjoy squealing over Jake periodically, as a nice break from long hours on the laptop doing my job. Actually, I respect him as a serious actor. I wouldn't ever stalk him. In fact, I'd be rendered speechless & paralyzed with shyness if I met him. Any verbal lusting that I do here is only for my own & hopefully everyone else's amusement.

And I admire the whole herd of Gyllenhaals. That's a big part of Jake's appeal for me. I love my own family, but they aren't quite so liberal or interested in social causes or tolerant of artistic expression among their progeny. So probably I've idealized the Gyllenhaals a little too much as a creative, socially aware entity. I am sorry they are discomfited by the Internet's fascination with them.

Biohazard said...

ms. darko - I don't read all the post on the lashers thread (stay away for a week and you would have missed thousands). All I can say is that I haven't read anything objectionable from Adrian, and from my own experience on the internet, some people simply can't read other posts in the way it was meant to be read. I've written here (as one of the anons) and other places posts which are not to be taken seriously, but was nevertheless taken as serious by some. So they get concerned, offended, outraged, startled, whatever. Just one of those things, and I'd be inclined to give Adrian the benefit of doubt given what I have read of his posts. You should too.

Bitka said...

Ok, could someone explain to me just how Dave Cullen's site is different than JakeWatch and I Heart Jake?

I adore all three sites (don't really post at any of them, though) and I'm really curious as to why JW and IHJ are the good sites and DC's site is bad. I see pretty much the same content all around.

Of course, I'm relatively new to Gyllenfandom so maybe I've missed something.

SquallCloud said...

without confining herself to the sites for fans of the "Brokeback" actors.

But isn't this an entire blog about an actor? What exactly is the problem with the actor threads over at the DC that anyone could call sinister... or flabby. Whatever the fuck that last is supposed to mean?

I guess it really just boils down to what Stephen said in his Q&A try to focus more on your lives and leave the internet fandom for a bit to gain perspective. Feeling dijected, insulted, and disrespected is a helluva way to gain said perspective but in a weird way maybe I should be thanking Cantara for opening my eyes to what celebs/celebrity hangers on think of folks who have a genuine affection for a celebs.

I mean you hold it in the back of your mind like "I'm sure such and such thinks his fans are loons!" but to have such an off-hand comment be made and then defended by other fans is the shock of cold water across the face that puts things in perspective.

Anonymous said...

I think Jake genuinely appreciates his fans. I think the whole concept of blogdom has been distorted in Cantara's mind and conflated with fandom in a way that suggests there are sinister elements in play everywhere and she's making some feeble attempt to "analyze" which are the 'good' ones and which aren't. I think Jake's people, his publicist, manager, etc. and Maggie and Peter's people will balance out the negative impressions given by some misguided, uninformed person who may not mean any harm, but has caused some harm. Because of Jake's celebrity, I think Stephen, Naomi, and his friends have been subjected to a level of scrutiny they never expected. While Mum and dad have been in the business forever, they never expected the internet to confer a level of notoriety they are now experiencing.And I also think that Jake and his family and friends have had some really ugly experiences with the paps and with stalker tpyes since BBM.I'm not surprised they've become wary and would get upset about certain things.Anyone would. But to exploit their concerns, albeit inadvertently is misguided and really sad. I think the professionals who manage their careers will put things in better perspective. You can love someone to bits and be protective of them and still not act in their best interests. Happens all the time. It's about judgement.

kaydee said...

the bbm fandom is the only one i know that allows real people slash. in all the ther places i saw it is only characters slash and it is usually stated explicitly.

it makes even me uncomfortable, so i'm not surprised that it may make the people in question squirming

SquallCloud said...

the bbm fandom is the only one i know that allows real people slash.

That's not true. Also The BBM fandom is not a tribunal. No one "allows" anything. People write what they want to write.

The DC does not allow quotes from RPS in people's posts. The DC actually has a battery of rules one must follow. It is a professionally run and comprehensive site.

Wiki on RPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Real_person_fiction#Real_
Person_Slash

kaydee said...

Also The BBM fandom is not a tribunal. No one "allows" anything. People write what they want to write.

ok, but the mods or owners of the other sites usually do not allow it, delete the RPS stories.

SquallCloud said...

Well one would have to take that up with The Live Journal communities and personal journals that have the RPS in them, not The DC, kaydee.

kaydee said...

Squallcloud,

i didn't mean DC forum in particular, only the fact that the Gyllenhaal family have a good reason not to like the internet in general - i agree that Cantara didn't make any distinction between different sites... but perhaps it doesn't matter to them, only the fact that Jake's private life is dissected very thouroughly on the net.

i don't want to criticise, only wondering why they may feel like that.

Anonymous said...

Stephen responded her letter but it is password protected.

Katie said...

I've been over to DC and come out of the woodwork there to express my solidarity with the Lashers. DC has done a marvellous thing for the BBM community and I'd like them to have the recognition for that. I'd hate to see them tarred with the same brush as JustJared and the like. They don't deserve it.

SquallCloud said...

i agree that Cantara didn't make any distinction between different sites...

I'm really not trying to be argumentative I do love it over here but actually yes she did. JW and IHJ (incidentally the people she spilled the beans to) were deemed holy and The DC was deemed sinister and flabby. I admit I really do need to get back on the Nutrasystems and lose some weight but I don't think my flabbiness is any business of hers and the only "s" word I and DCians can be accused of is sycophancy.

There is a dif between JustJared and D-Listed and a blog like Trent's (pink is the new blog) or The Guilded Moose or Defamer. The last three love "dreamy eyed dream boat" Jake and are brazen in their love. Same with JW, same with Eyelashes/DC.

Simon Agent 002 said...

"defended by other fans is the shock of cold water"

^^I hope I'm not included in that?....all I'm saying is that there could have been a misunderstanding here as to why she named DC....she was listing blogs which she found offensive...I'm sure she doesn't have the time to explore all the websites in detail...let alone a large site like Dave Cullen's ...
I've visited there and found it thoughtful , sweet and respectful...
I have not read every post there ,but what I have seen seems reverant, respectful. Which is why I'm genuinely puzzled ,but can't people take a deep breath and see what reasoning was behind the remark before they burst into flames?...
She may have lumped in DC by accident when recalling names of blogs, like Prez and WFT...the last two I don't care for personally.

Look, since were being frank here let me say...first mistake was to post the baby news in a public blog...
Cantara was sweet to share the news with us , as I think she felt, and I also think it's true , that we would share in the Gyllenhaal's happiness.
It made a miserable ,cynical person like myself, smile for just a moment and if you knew me personally, you know that doesn't happen often.
But I can understand she wanted to share the happy news...she e-mailed IHJ (from what I read)...but at Britpop's blog ...Brit was fast a sleep England time...so perhaps thats why she shared it in the general blog??
Once in a public blog it can be seen by anyone...which brings me to the 2nd mistake.
Once again some anonymous with the desire to spread exciting "news" decided to post the address to what was CLEARLY a personal letter between Cantara and Mr. Gyllenhaal...if I had administration abilities I would have removed it quickly ....it's like reading someones diary...all because you know it's there and wide open...are you privileged to know what's in it?

But now that's done, and that water has passed under the bridge.
So now the third step in this whole fracas is how we choose to react to it...something which we do have control over, and under the circumstances should slow down and try to be understanding.
Without fanning the flames of an already bad episode.
I'd like to remind ...those who might want to tar and feather Cantara at this point the following...

When her personal book photos hit the web and were posted by Brit....
How did Cantara handle it?...She could have easily written a nasty letter saying cease and desist...but she didn't in fact she wrote a charming, lengthy, thoughtful letter ...and expressed herself in a kind and understanding way.
Not only that, she arranged a opportunity to ask questions of Mr. Gyllenhaal...
Which he clearly spent a great deal of time and thought answering!
He wasn't someone who I familiar with before...which I've come to admire now.

Oh, and can I add in a moment of happiness she wanted to share with Brit's blog the happy news of Maggie's baby...
I hope no one is judged so quickly, as to lose sight of all that, and her kind invitations to the poetry readings.

And let me also be frank and say I've told Brit in e-mails that as far as I'm concerned if she removed the anon posting option she wouldn't be hurting my feelings.
I think people would be more considerate of what the hell they are writing in the first place, if the knew their name and web address would be attached to such comments!...
Which goes right back to the whole problem in the first place!...one case a private personal msg...in the other anonymous msgs...with no ownership.

PS I spent the last hour + writing this so I'm sorry if I hadn't read the postings during that time

Girl Friday said...

... defended by other fans is the shock of cold water...

You didn't aim this at anyone in particular but lets get something straight. The only side I'm on is my own because at the end of the day that's the only physical, real, within my grasp person I have to answer to, not counting that guy hovering behind me claiming to be my boyfriend. My-own-self is being forced to go square dancing later and I'm not particularly happy about that. [Just sharing.] I can't wait until this vacation in hell is over.

I think people would be more considerate of what the hell they are writing in the first place, if the knew their name and web address would be attached to such comments!...

As I said above, agreed for a thousand other reasons I won't go into here.

PS I spent the last hour + writing this so I'm sorry if I hadn't read the postings during that time

... and you deserve an ice cream cone and a Kewpie doll. Take care, sweetie.

I'm going to put on a scrunchie now and attempt to repair a toilet because being originally from Pennsylvania, where the men are men and so are the women, I can do these sorts of things.

I love visiting home!

Help ... me ...

cina said...

Holy crap. I swear my head is spinning from (trying) to read all the comments here. But I give up now. I'm lost.

Just let it go now, please?

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go and take an aspirin.

SquallCloud said...

Simon, I hear you but her first reaction was to jump all over Brit's shit about those photos that SHE leaked. THEN, she got some sense and backtracked.

Someone over at the DC was like I guess the reason your're (me) so upset is because you love JW and visit regularly. Because this other DC poster had not been here she couldn't care less about what some random thinks about Dave Cullen. I'm just a bit miffed at so many people coming up with reasons why Dave Cullen the man and davecullen the site woudl be lumped in with disreps like JJ but then many of you don't visit there I take it and can't know the immense awesomeness of DC.

Additionally I will freely admit, I am the person who posted the baby news over at the DC. I didn't know it was some secret note being passed at the back of the class. I figured it was good news all fans could partake in. If it were an exclusive I'm thinking it woudl have been kept under raps.

My bad. I mean I never got warm fuzzies about Cantera anyway. I was happy how everything turned out from the first kerfuffle but my first impression of her was always in the back of my mind so I guess that's why no benefit. No doubt.

But then what does she care? She has the ear of the Gyllenhaals's and I am impotent to do or say anything against the slander that she chooses to put out about a most reverent and respectful fan site.

Can't we get a jump on the Sunday project?

*sniffles, wipes eyes*

Nothing Really Matters said...

I'm feeling the love Brits!

kaydee said...

could we measure the whole cantara-and-site-criticising thing on the gyllenscale? :)

where 'having to discuss it any more' is 0 and 'lets discuss marie-antoinette's premiere' is... like... 5 ?

green said...

Once again some anonymous with the desire to spread exciting "news" decided to post the address to what was CLEARLY a personal letter between Cantara and Mr. Gyllenhaal...

How can letter published on the Internet site be considered private?

wtbgirl said...

LOL - I hear you cina - I left Jake Watch yesterday innocently thinking about Plan Bs and all (Edward Norton would be my Plan B -actually truth be told he used to be my Plan A back in the day, until he got together with Courtney Love - that led to a permanent demotion, sorry Ed) and then I pop in today post-brunch to discover the maelstorm that apparently went down.

My only comment is on a personal note - I met and spoke with Cantara at that first Stephen Gyllenhaal book reading - she's a very nice woman that runs a very small publishing house, and until now she has sort of immersed herself in the somewhat secular world of little-known authors and poets, etc.

Frankly, I think that this is the first time she's ever been truly exposed to the world of big-time celebrity, with all of the positives and negatives that comes with that. I mean, the relationship with Cantara here at Jake Watch BEGAN because she seemingly did not understand that downloading photographs on a public internet site WILL in fact lead to those images winding up on other forums, because in the internet age people assume if a picture is made public, well, then it is free to be disseminated. I think she's getting a crash course, somewhat trial-by-fire, induction into this world, and she's bound to err on occasion.

But I think her heart is in the right place - as someone else rightfully pointed out, my impression upon meeting her is that she is very protective of the authors that she works with, and she truly believes in Mr. Gyllenhaal's work and worth as a poet and artist.

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SquallCloud said...

I've never had the occasion to meet the woman but I've had the occasion to be insulted by her so hence the difference of opinion.

Thanks Brit for visiting 'lashes. {hugs} NOW in the spirit of moving on... since I've deemed myself protector of the DC's rep or some such (WTF?) ...

I do like the Zodiac movie poster even without a pic of our beautiful boy, but I NEED a trailer like yesterday! It is as important to me as it is to the studio that they get it out before the new year so that we can possibly see Jake doing the Oscar press cha-cha again. :o)

britpopbaby said...

I think if Cantara saw you defending DC with such passion, squall she would look again. Like I've said, I don't know DC too well but I trust squall to tell me the board is happy, fun place and I know some of the other DCers too and you're all cool beans in my book.

And a Sunday Project? Man! I'm ill! Let me think...what aspect have I not covered yet...

Simon Agent 002 said...

I think if you read it, (as the Anonymous poster did...to put the address here) it's clear that it's personal.
So did any small spot in that Anonymous person tell him or her: "Hey wait a minute maybe it's best not to share such intimate writings with everyone?"

I believe in many conspiracy theories...
Cantara wanting this public is not one of them!...She would have expressed her feelings more tactfully had she decided to write a letter for all the blogs to see (that I'm sure of)

I have 1,000,000,000 thoughts about people I know and don't know...if my mind could be read at all times, I suppose no one would be speaking to me.
Which is why we all are entitled to personal opinions and whomwe decide to share them with.
We all should be afforded the right of grace and decide what and how are thoughts are shared to anyone.

Ask yourself, if everyone close to you had access to your every thought ....is it very possible they would be hurt or offended?
Privacy not only protects the person writing...but those who by consideration you may hurt by such frankness.

PS
Squall, I'm not jumping on your case...it sounds like you've cooled down some.
Your telling DC the baby news wasn't the main point or even problem...
The news was in a public blog that anyone who visited could see...Perz..Jared...Us weekly etc etc.

I really believe she blirted out DC among the other blogs by accident...because I can't understand what would give her some opinion otherwise.

wtbgirl said...

I went lurking around some other sites out of curiousity - factoid -apparently I am a "cutey-tooty girl" for posting at Jake Watch, I did not know that - LOL. I'll take the cutey, not sure what makes me a tooty!

Reading some of the other sites for a few minutes, I think it's safe to say that Cantara will be getting an influx of mail in the coming days - trial by fire indeed. Wow.

green said...

Sorry Simon, but I still don't get your point. If the letter was indeed private she would send it by e-mail.

Millions of blogers share their very private thoughts every day. The fact that they publish them on the Net makes them public. Same applies to this case.

Biohazard said...

Plan B? Oh, sorry, forgot that's what this thread is about. Chris O'Donnell (don't laugh, I like cute boys) and Peter Krause (of six feet under). It'll be heaven if they ever get together in a film.

green said...

How about Zach Braff?

His father is of Russian heritage :)

Anonymous said...

Biohazard,

I'm with you, Peter Krause gets my vote as well. That boy is adorable!!! (Even if he is a grown-ass man) lol

britpopbaby said...

Zach Braff is alright although I find Mandy Moore hotter. Mandy Moore is my girl crush - actually I have many girl crushes these days. Maybe I should do a top ten of each and then get it laminated and then Jake can do the same and if either of us bump into our Top Ten it's okay for us to have sex with them and for it not to be considered cheating....

...although I will have to 'okay' Jake's top tens.

...and what the hell is 'tooty'?

Katie said...

"cutey-tootey" - well, I never. Is that bad?

The Bearded Lady said...

WtbGirl, I've been called many things...but not "cutey-tootey"...now really I'm jealous.
I can only wonder at what impression you could have left,to recieve that nick name?....

kaydee said...

let's leave 'cutey-tooty' aside and think about the 'girl' part. doesn't that make you feel nice? so rejuvenating...

i wouldn't mind being called cute too...

britpopbaby said...

I like the idea of being a flower in the Court of Gyllenhaal but I'm more gin-soaked hag that got let in by mistake and has now passed out in the corner.

Simon Agent 002 said...

Brit, that "I was drunk at the time excuse is very in vogue now a days...."
If you follow the American news you would know exactly what I mean!

Anonymous said...

The internet is a scary place - I think Cantra has discovered that in a hurry! Remember the denial published in the New York Daily News re Jake? That only came about because someone must have heard something about a Gyllenhaal "announcement", got the wrong Gyllenhaal (this happened on the same day that Maggie's pregnancy/engagement were officially announced); and extrapolated (perhaps deliberately and scurrilously) that the announcement related to that oh-so-popular topic that is discussed ad-nauseam on a certain "dentist" site. Within 24 hours of the first post, it was in print in an NY paper.

If you post something on the internet, someone, somewhere with an interest in what you write is likely to find it within minutes. That the nature of the internet age.

BTW, there was an interesting court decision in the US last week relating to an huge damages award given to a person who was defamed in a blog. I know where I work, part of the conditions of employment is that I don't use the work PC to post messages on a blog or messageboard. Your posts CAN be traced (by IP address, which is fixed on broadband connections). So there's really no such thing an anonymous anymore. And something said maliciously but "anonymously" may just catch up with you (not that that happens here or at IHJ or DC!)

Can you tell I find the whole business of the uncontrolled nature of the internet fascinating?!?! It's a wonderful, terrible thing.

And yes, the irony that I'm posting as Anonymous hasn't been lost on me ;o)

Simon Agent 002 said...

WtbGirl...I just came across a simular remark....I guess I'm a "cutey-tootey"...girl too by default! LMAO!

news girl said...

11:37PM:That Daily News denial back in April wasn't because of the "denist" and his fan fic but because ok Michael K, the blogger at D-Listed. He posted that bogus coming out story on his blog and said a "reader" e-mailed him the "news". He claimed at the time he didn't believe it but posted it anyway. He tehn e-maile it to some intern at the Daily News that he knew and they went with it, blaming the rumor on "gay blogs" and wishful thinking on their part. I know this because I know people at the Daily news and they gave me the 411 on sleazy Michael K.

KDK said...

I may be talking out of turn here because I don't know Cantara (obviously) but am I the only who finds her actions odd and a wee bit immature?

Now, please correct me on any of this if I'm wrong, but first, Stephen Gyllenhaal relates to her the news that his granddaughter has been born. If the Gyllenhaal camp is upset over her subsequent actions, then I would think its safe to say the news was not meant for the public (but I will admit I'm just assuming that) But she then chooses to not only put it on her site, but chooses to pass it on to not only JW but IHJ as well, where is then picked up by other places, including Just Jared, where it happens to be seen by someone from US weekly. The only one I see at fault here, so far, is Cantara, for sharing the information.

Now, US Weekly contacts her for confirmation and after rejecting them, she gives JW and IHJ the email and requests that they email the contact from US Weekly with 'strongly worded protests', a highly unprofessional move in my book, particularly since she is the source of the original news leak.

Then she posts a private email to Stephen Gyllenhaal. Now, I'm not going to comment on whether or not its right that we read it or even question how it was found, the fact is, it's on the internet, not password protect, it was not private. And in this email, she disparages a portion of Jake's fanbase and the entire post seems to be geared toward exonerating her, to raising herself (and JW and IHJ) in Stephen Gyllenhaal's eyes.

And then, after going on to Stephen Gyllenhaal about Dave Cullen's place and how sinister it is, etc, etc and knows that people are all in an uproar about it, she then chooses to password protect Stephen's response to her.

Rather immature in my book.

Anonymous said...

2;39AM: I'm glad that his response has been password protected, enough already. She has contacted Dave Cullen and apoligized and it sounds like she will issue an apology to the forum as well. I don't know what led her to lump DC with the rest of the sleazy forums. All I can figure is that she saw the Jake eyelash thread and objected to something on there and was not commenting on the whole site.

KDK said...

My post was written before I knew Cantara apologized. Since I don't know how (or even if its possible) to delete my comments, I'll ask that they just be ignored.

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SquallCloud said...

There's a little trash can at the bottom of your posts, kdk. You can click on it to erase if that's what you want to do ... Okay had a full evening of work came back and all was well again. If Dave is happy, I'm happy. Dave's a great guy.

Okay so nobody is feeling me on the Jonathan Rhys Meyers Plan B?

Okay, not every man I love is such a girl, let's see. I also like Dave Navarro ... right. Okay I also love Jared Leto. FUCK! Okay manly man, manly man ... AH! I would merrily have Idris Elba's babies.


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Simon Agent 002 said...

She can't remove her posts because she never signed into to blogger....so she doesn't have that little trash can to use.

Anonymous said...

kdk, your summation about handles it. And i read Dave Cullen's report on her apology. She claimed that she said these things months ago??? Did i read that correctly? How is that possible since all this dust up surrounds the birth of the grandchild, that certainly wasn't months ago.I certainly don't want to condemn Cantara at all. But frankly, if she wants things to calm down, and go away, she ought to just keep it simple and apologize. Make it short and sweet and try not to get in trouble over-explaining things.
I think this has been a very instructive experience for her. Jake's fanbase has translated into greater support for his entire family. Lots of Jake fans bought Stephen's book. Not critical, perhaps, but certainly helpful. And who here ever heard of Cantara's publishing house before Stephen? From a purely business perspective, she really ought to exercise some judgement before she starts categorizing Jake's fansites.

Biohazard said...

Anon 6.36, for most of us adults, there will come a point in our social intercourse when we should consider a matter closed. That is when someone apologised, however inadequate you think that apology may be. Unless it is a matter of such great importance that you can't leave it be, and most of us here don't think that this is the case here.

nice anonymous said...

Proof that, once again, it's not easy to be a fan of Jake Gyllenhaal. (Though it's much, mucher easier than being a fan of, say, Michael Jackson.)

How to tell at a glance whether the sh*t has hit the fan at JakeWatch -- or -- The Various Tempests in the Teapot Among Jake Fans:

1) A week has gone by & no arguments among the blog visitors have broken out. (Seems to occur in seven-day increments -- maybe we can chart this against the phases of the moon?)

2) Between one's visits to the blog, the comment count listed at the bottom of a fairly innocuous post on JakeWatch explodes from 45-51 or so comments to 80-100 or more comments.

3) Jake fandom is definitely like a religion -- as all religions are subject to schisms among the devoted as they argue over points of doctrine or which particular church they prefer to worship in, even as all agree about the divinity of the subject they are worshipping.

4) At the end, there are mostly kisses and hugs and apologies, and everyone once again unites in gazing with adoration at Jake and/or the Gyllenhaals.

Brit, I take back my post stating that I accept no substitute for the Original Gyllenhaal. I agree, you must keep posting about these alternative guys & measuring them on the Jake meter. Perhaps we do need a break in the form of a backup who's a little easier on his fans.

Anonymous said...

Ahh! But if he is truly worthy of worship, how can he be "easy"?

Anonymous said...

And the Forum responds with a resoundingly delicious dose of Jake love ....:)

That's classy ...

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=15424.0

Anonymous said...

Frankly, I'm bored with the whole cantara thing.

Time to get back to 'worshiping the ground' Jake walks on!

roco